In a more subdued, but still intense final presidential debate Thursday night (Oct. 22), the topic of race in America came to head and President Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden displayed how far apart they stand on the issue. And yet, neither candidate said anything strikingly different than before.

When debate moderator Kirsten Welker of NBC asked them several questions on the topic, she began by imploring both men to speak directly to Black families about “the talk” or having to instruct their children on how to navigate during encounters with law enforcement. It is possibly the first time a question like this has ever come up in a presidential debate.

Biden answered by saying that while he has never had to speak with his daughter, who is a social worker, about interacting with police, he knows that Black families often do.

“He’s been in government 47 years and did nothing except in 1994,” Trump said, referring to the Crime Bill that President Bill Clinton signed into law that year.  “And he did so much harm, he called them ‘super predators.’ “ But that has been debunked. The “superpredators” remark is actually attributed to then-First Lady Hillary Clinton in a 1996 speech she gave in Keene, N.H., which later served to alienate some Black voters from her.

But watchers of the debate related to the entire racial segment in which the candidates argued and Black viewers remembered what “the talk” is vividly.